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Bounty on first release of Phoenix

David Hughes

To encourage an official first release of Phoenix as soon as can be, it's been suggested we raise a bounty to be paid to Robin when this happens. Going through an online fund raising service would not only be a hassle but they will end up pocketing up to 10% of the cash (e.g. bountysource.com). I have been in touch with Robin about this and he is OK with me coordinating the raising of pledges among ourselves here.

I don't know if it will help to set a target amount but I'm suggesting one of $10,000 US dollars - note, this is a target, not an upper limit <wink>. The good news is that we are already half way there and the pledged total is currently $5,000.

If you want to announce a donation, large or small, here in public, that's fine but in any case please let me know so I can keep track of things and send you the details for making payment when the time comes. Please email forestfield.software<at>gmail.com (the public PGP key is attached) or use Whatsapp to contact +44 7971 336995 (which uses end to end encryption) and I will keep you all informed of progress.

I think the best way of making payments will be by direct transfer to a bank account of Robin's choice, but I'm also able to process debit and credit card payments in Euros, UK pounds and US, Canadian and Australian dollars, although these will incur (credit) card charges and possibly currency exchange costs.

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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

johnf
If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide an email to the group saying so!

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:01 AM, David Hughes <[hidden email]> wrote:

To encourage an official first release of Phoenix as soon as can be, it's been suggested we raise a bounty to be paid to Robin when this happens. Going through an online fund raising service would not only be a hassle but they will end up pocketing up to 10% of the cash (e.g. bountysource.com). I have been in touch with Robin about this and he is OK with me coordinating the raising of pledges among ourselves here.

I don't know if it will help to set a target amount but I'm suggesting one of $10,000 US dollars - note, this is a target, not an upper limit <wink>. The good news is that we are already half way there and the pledged total is currently $5,000.

If you want to announce a donation, large or small, here in public, that's fine but in any case please let me know so I can keep track of things and send you the details for making payment when the time comes. Please email forestfield.software<at>gmail.com (the public PGP key is attached) or use Whatsapp to contact +44 7971 336995 (which uses end to end encryption) and I will keep you all informed of progress.

I think the best way of making payments will be by direct transfer to a bank account of Robin's choice, but I'm also able to process debit and credit card payments in Euros, UK pounds and US, Canadian and Australian dollars, although these will incur (credit) card charges and possibly currency exchange costs.

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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

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I think better is use PayPal, bank transfer is very expensive for non USA/Europe people.

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El 5/5/2016 8:49, "John Fabiani" <[hidden email]> escribió:
If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide an email to the group saying so!

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:01 AM, David Hughes <[hidden email]> wrote:

To encourage an official first release of Phoenix as soon as can be, it's been suggested we raise a bounty to be paid to Robin when this happens. Going through an online fund raising service would not only be a hassle but they will end up pocketing up to 10% of the cash (e.g. bountysource.com). I have been in touch with Robin about this and he is OK with me coordinating the raising of pledges among ourselves here.

I don't know if it will help to set a target amount but I'm suggesting one of $10,000 US dollars - note, this is a target, not an upper limit <wink>. The good news is that we are already half way there and the pledged total is currently $5,000.

If you want to announce a donation, large or small, here in public, that's fine but in any case please let me know so I can keep track of things and send you the details for making payment when the time comes. Please email forestfield.software<at>gmail.com (the public PGP key is attached) or use Whatsapp to contact +44 7971 336995 (which uses end to end encryption) and I will keep you all informed of progress.

I think the best way of making payments will be by direct transfer to a bank account of Robin's choice, but I'm also able to process debit and credit card payments in Euros, UK pounds and US, Canadian and Australian dollars, although these will incur (credit) card charges and possibly currency exchange costs.

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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

Chris Barker - NOAA Federal
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Yes, we should hear that before anyone starts sending in any money, but for what it's worth, David has been part of this community for a very long time, and I know both Robin and myself have had successful consulting relationships with him. He is quite reliable.

-Chris


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:49 AM, John Fabiani <[hidden email]> wrote:
If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide an email to the group saying so!

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:01 AM, David Hughes <[hidden email]> wrote:

To encourage an official first release of Phoenix as soon as can be, it's been suggested we raise a bounty to be paid to Robin when this happens. Going through an online fund raising service would not only be a hassle but they will end up pocketing up to 10% of the cash (e.g. bountysource.com). I have been in touch with Robin about this and he is OK with me coordinating the raising of pledges among ourselves here.

I don't know if it will help to set a target amount but I'm suggesting one of $10,000 US dollars - note, this is a target, not an upper limit <wink>. The good news is that we are already half way there and the pledged total is currently $5,000.

If you want to announce a donation, large or small, here in public, that's fine but in any case please let me know so I can keep track of things and send you the details for making payment when the time comes. Please email forestfield.software<at>gmail.com (the public PGP key is attached) or use Whatsapp to contact <a href="tel:%2B44%207971%20336995" value="+447971336995" target="_blank">+44 7971 336995 (which uses end to end encryption) and I will keep you all informed of progress.

I think the best way of making payments will be by direct transfer to a bank account of Robin's choice, but I'm also able to process debit and credit card payments in Euros, UK pounds and US, Canadian and Australian dollars, although these will incur (credit) card charges and possibly currency exchange costs.

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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

Umar Yusuf
This is a welcome idea. Lets keep wxPy alive...

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Chris Barker <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yes, we should hear that before anyone starts sending in any money, but for what it's worth, David has been part of this community for a very long time, and I know both Robin and myself have had successful consulting relationships with him. He is quite reliable.

-Chris


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:49 AM, John Fabiani <[hidden email]> wrote:
If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide an email to the group saying so!

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:01 AM, David Hughes <[hidden email]> wrote:

To encourage an official first release of Phoenix as soon as can be, it's been suggested we raise a bounty to be paid to Robin when this happens. Going through an online fund raising service would not only be a hassle but they will end up pocketing up to 10% of the cash (e.g. bountysource.com). I have been in touch with Robin about this and he is OK with me coordinating the raising of pledges among ourselves here.

I don't know if it will help to set a target amount but I'm suggesting one of $10,000 US dollars - note, this is a target, not an upper limit <wink>. The good news is that we are already half way there and the pledged total is currently $5,000.

If you want to announce a donation, large or small, here in public, that's fine but in any case please let me know so I can keep track of things and send you the details for making payment when the time comes. Please email forestfield.software<at>gmail.com (the public PGP key is attached) or use Whatsapp to contact <a href="tel:%2B44%207971%20336995" value="+447971336995" target="_blank">+44 7971 336995 (which uses end to end encryption) and I will keep you all informed of progress.

I think the best way of making payments will be by direct transfer to a bank account of Robin's choice, but I'm also able to process debit and credit card payments in Euros, UK pounds and US, Canadian and Australian dollars, although these will incur (credit) card charges and possibly currency exchange costs.

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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

David Hughes
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On 06/05/2016 00:01, Chris Barker wrote:
Yes, we should hear that before anyone starts sending in any money, but for what it's worth, David has been part of this community for a very long time, and I know both Robin and myself have had successful consulting relationships with him. He is quite reliable.

-Chris


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:49 AM, John Fabiani <[hidden email]> wrote:
If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide an email to the group saying so!

If Robin doesn't respond automatically in the next day or two, I'll email him and ask him to do so. To be clear, I am not asking for money to be sent anywhere at the moment, just for promises - in public or in private - for when Phoenix is officially released.

 
On 05/05/2016 16:33, Mario Lacunza wrote:

I think better is use PayPal, bank transfer is very expensive for non USA/Europe people.


Yes, International bank transfers can be expensive, especially for smaller payments and that's why I am offering to process card payments through my existing account with WorldPay. I don't have any arrangements with PayPal but I would be happy to look into it if there is sufficient demand.
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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

johnf
I'll provide $250.00 towards the effort.  But I need to see an email from Robin first.  I want to hear that he is willing to accept the money to move Phoenix forward.  I'm already suspicious because it's been a few days and I haven't seen anything from Robin.

Johnf

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 1:51 AM, David Hughes <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 06/05/2016 00:01, Chris Barker wrote:
Yes, we should hear that before anyone starts sending in any money, but for what it's worth, David has been part of this community for a very long time, and I know both Robin and myself have had successful consulting relationships with him. He is quite reliable.

-Chris


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:49 AM, John Fabiani <[hidden email]> wrote:
If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide an email to the group saying so!

If Robin doesn't respond automatically in the next day or two, I'll email him and ask him to do so. To be clear, I am not asking for money to be sent anywhere at the moment, just for promises - in public or in private - for when Phoenix is officially released.

 
On 05/05/2016 16:33, Mario Lacunza wrote:

I think better is use PayPal, bank transfer is very expensive for non USA/Europe people.


Yes, International bank transfers can be expensive, especially for smaller payments and that's why I am offering to process card payments through my existing account with WorldPay. I don't have any arrangements with PayPal but I would be happy to look into it if there is sufficient demand.
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David Hughes
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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

David Woods
Hi John,

Don't get suspicious too quickly.  Robin's appearances on this list have been few and far between for a long while now.  I don't think he follows this list closely, instead putting his limited resources into following wxPython-dev.  I would guess he only looks at it when prodded on a specific issue.

I agree that official word from Robin is needed, but if I see that word come through in the next couple of weeks, that will be good enough for me!

David



On 05/06/2016 09:27 AM, John Fabiani wrote:
I'll provide $250.00 towards the effort.  But I need to see an email from Robin first.  I want to hear that he is willing to accept the money to move Phoenix forward.  I'm already suspicious because it's been a few days and I haven't seen anything from Robin.

Johnf

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 1:51 AM, David Hughes <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 06/05/2016 00:01, Chris Barker wrote:
Yes, we should hear that before anyone starts sending in any money, but for what it's worth, David has been part of this community for a very long time, and I know both Robin and myself have had successful consulting relationships with him. He is quite reliable.

-Chris


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:49 AM, John Fabiani <[hidden email]> wrote:
If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide an email to the group saying so!

If Robin doesn't respond automatically in the next day or two, I'll email him and ask him to do so. To be clear, I am not asking for money to be sent anywhere at the moment, just for promises - in public or in private - for when Phoenix is officially released.

 
On 05/05/2016 16:33, Mario Lacunza wrote:

I think better is use PayPal, bank transfer is very expensive for non USA/Europe people.


Yes, International bank transfers can be expensive, especially for smaller payments and that's why I am offering to process card payments through my existing account with WorldPay. I don't have any arrangements with PayPal but I would be happy to look into it if there is sufficient demand.
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David Hughes
Forestfield Software
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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

johnf
Will someone please poke him - then!  BTW I took a quick look at the wxpython-dev group and I didn't see a message from Robin - not in the last week?

Wow weeks!  If Robin is aware wouldn't he just say something like - thanks  for the offer guys but I will not have time or some other message?
Please don't mis-understand I don't expect that Phoenix will be stable in a day, week, or months.  But no response - that's a concern.

Johnf

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:47 AM, David Woods <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi John,

Don't get suspicious too quickly.  Robin's appearances on this list have been few and far between for a long while now.  I don't think he follows this list closely, instead putting his limited resources into following wxPython-dev.  I would guess he only looks at it when prodded on a specific issue.

I agree that official word from Robin is needed, but if I see that word come through in the next couple of weeks, that will be good enough for me!

David




On 05/06/2016 09:27 AM, John Fabiani wrote:
I'll provide $250.00 towards the effort.  But I need to see an email from Robin first.  I want to hear that he is willing to accept the money to move Phoenix forward.  I'm already suspicious because it's been a few days and I haven't seen anything from Robin.

Johnf

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 1:51 AM, David Hughes <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 06/05/2016 00:01, Chris Barker wrote:
Yes, we should hear that before anyone starts sending in any money, but for what it's worth, David has been part of this community for a very long time, and I know both Robin and myself have had successful consulting relationships with him. He is quite reliable.

-Chris


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:49 AM, John Fabiani <[hidden email][hidden email]> wrote:
If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide an email to the group saying so!

If Robin doesn't respond automatically in the next day or two, I'll email him and ask him to do so. To be clear, I am not asking for money to be sent anywhere at the moment, just for promises - in public or in private - for when Phoenix is officially released.

 
On 05/05/2016 16:33, Mario Lacunza wrote:

I think better is use PayPal, bank transfer is very expensive for non USA/Europe people.


Yes, International bank transfers can be expensive, especially for smaller payments and that's why I am offering to process card payments through my existing account with WorldPay. I don't have any arrangements with PayPal but I would be happy to look into it if there is sufficient demand.
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David Hughes
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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

Tim Roberts
On May 6, 2016, at 8:44 AM, John Fabiani <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Will someone please poke him - then!  BTW I took a quick look at the wxpython-dev group and I didn't see a message from Robin - not in the last week?
>
> Wow weeks!  If Robin is aware wouldn't he just say something like - thanks  for the offer guys but I will not have time or some other message?
> Please don't mis-understand I don't expect that Phoenix will be stable in a day, week, or months.  But no response - that's a concern.

Robin has a real paying job.  Real jobs occasionally get busy, and that sucks up time that would otherwise be spent on hobbies.  Be patient.

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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

Chris Barker - NOAA Federal
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On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:44 AM, John Fabiani <[hidden email]> wrote:
 If Robin is aware wouldn't he just say something like - thanks  for the offer guys but I will not have time or some other message?
Please don't mis-understand I don't expect that Phoenix will be stable in a day, week, or months.  But no response - that's a concern.

This is actually a response to a post by Robin suggesting that a bounty-on-release would be a good motivator for him. David is simply providing a mechanism, as it looks lke the existing sytems like indigogo, etc are well sutioed ans would take out a substantial overhead.

Quote from Robin:

"""
Although the desire to complete Phoenix is still present, maybe it is time for more motivation to help get me over the first mountain, although I really hate asking for donations.  There really isn't any hardware or other tools that I need to do the work, and payments along the way are not really motivating for me these days, but perhaps a larger bounty upon completion of the first official Phoenix release would be the right carrot to help get me moving forward and to keep moving at a steady pace.
"""

So we still need to define the size of the bounty, and perhaps a definition of "first official Phoenix release", and probably SOME time scale, but this isn't just wishful thinking.

-CHB




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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

Emad Dlala
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Patience, please! No need for throwing suspicions, as we all should know that Robin is busy.   

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:44 AM, John Fabiani <[hidden email]> wrote:
Will someone please poke him - then!  BTW I took a quick look at the wxpython-dev group and I didn't see a message from Robin - not in the last week?

Wow weeks!  If Robin is aware wouldn't he just say something like - thanks  for the offer guys but I will not have time or some other message?
Please don't mis-understand I don't expect that Phoenix will be stable in a day, week, or months.  But no response - that's a concern.

Johnf

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 7:47 AM, David Woods <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi John,

Don't get suspicious too quickly.  Robin's appearances on this list have been few and far between for a long while now.  I don't think he follows this list closely, instead putting his limited resources into following wxPython-dev.  I would guess he only looks at it when prodded on a specific issue.

I agree that official word from Robin is needed, but if I see that word come through in the next couple of weeks, that will be good enough for me!

David




On 05/06/2016 09:27 AM, John Fabiani wrote:
I'll provide $250.00 towards the effort.  But I need to see an email from Robin first.  I want to hear that he is willing to accept the money to move Phoenix forward.  I'm already suspicious because it's been a few days and I haven't seen anything from Robin.

Johnf

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 1:51 AM, David Hughes <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 06/05/2016 00:01, Chris Barker wrote:
Yes, we should hear that before anyone starts sending in any money, but for what it's worth, David has been part of this community for a very long time, and I know both Robin and myself have had successful consulting relationships with him. He is quite reliable.

-Chris


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:49 AM, John Fabiani <[hidden email][hidden email]> wrote:
If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide an email to the group saying so!

If Robin doesn't respond automatically in the next day or two, I'll email him and ask him to do so. To be clear, I am not asking for money to be sent anywhere at the moment, just for promises - in public or in private - for when Phoenix is officially released.

 
On 05/05/2016 16:33, Mario Lacunza wrote:

I think better is use PayPal, bank transfer is very expensive for non USA/Europe people.


Yes, International bank transfers can be expensive, especially for smaller payments and that's why I am offering to process card payments through my existing account with WorldPay. I don't have any arrangements with PayPal but I would be happy to look into it if there is sufficient demand.
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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

Robin Dunn
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John Fabiani wrote:
> If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide
> an email to the group saying so!

Yes, I can confirm this.  David approached me off-list to discuss this
and offered to take on the coordination of the effort, and I gladly
accepted.  I believe we can rely on him to be honorable in this endeavor
and I have no worries about anything underhanded happening.

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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

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Il giorno giovedì 5 maggio 2016 15:01:28 UTC+2, David Hughes ha scritto:

To encourage an official first release of Phoenix as soon as can be, it's been suggested we raise a bounty to be paid to Robin when this happens. Going through an online fund raising service would not only be a hassle but they will end up pocketing up to 10% of the cash (e.g. <a href="http://bountysource.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fbountysource.com\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNHXCSHHTUhLlELZk_0xmmv7amsAoA&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fbountysource.com\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNHXCSHHTUhLlELZk_0xmmv7amsAoA&#39;;return true;">bountysource.com). I have been in touch with Robin about this and he is OK with me coordinating the raising of pledges among ourselves here.

I don't know if it will help to set a target amount but I'm suggesting one of $10,000 US dollars - note, this is a target, not an upper limit <wink>. The good news is that we are already half way there and the pledged total is currently $5,000.


Count me in of course (I'll send you an email with amount and details).
If you could accept a PayPal transfer, that would be great.

Maybe we should advertise this bounty a bit more? Perhaps on the wxpython homepage, on the wiki, github readme, etc.
As far as I know, this thread is the only place where this announcement has appeared so far.

Also, a few days ago, Andrea Gavana started a thread expressing his interest in helping out - it would be nice to hear from you again here, Andrea.

riccardo

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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

Robin Dunn
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Robin Dunn wrote:
> John Fabiani wrote:
>> If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide
>> an email to the group saying so!
>
> Yes, I can confirm this.  David approached me off-list to discuss this
> and offered to take on the coordination of the effort, and I gladly
> accepted.  I believe we can rely on him to be honorable in this
> endeavor and I have no worries about anything underhanded happening.
>

One more thing.  It's been mentioned already but in case there are still
any worries about it, we are talking only about pledges for the time
being.  Nobody is required to send any money anywhere until the bounty
is granted.  If anybody wishes to contribute to the fund now, while it
is on your mind, I expect that David can take care of that too. But
please check with him about those details. (Things like transfer fees if
the release doesn't happen and the money is returned to you, etc.)


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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

Emad Dlala
Thank you Robin for your commitment to wxPython for many years! 

It'd be nice to make Phoenix as awesome as possible. Andrea Ganava has done marvelous work too with the aui stuff. I hope Robin and Andrea are coordinating! I'm sure there are other people that deserve mention and appreciation too. So thanks to everyone who's contributed to wxPython. 

I encourage everyone to chip in with what they can. Also, since I'm sure some of us can ask finical help from our  respective organizations, it'd be useful if we make an announcement some "known" website such as wxpython.org. This can help as an evidence where we donated the money to. 

Regards,
Emad

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Robin Dunn <[hidden email]> wrote:
Robin Dunn wrote:
John Fabiani wrote:
If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide an email to the group saying so!

Yes, I can confirm this.  David approached me off-list to discuss this and offered to take on the coordination of the effort, and I gladly accepted.  I believe we can rely on him to be honorable in this endeavor and I have no worries about anything underhanded happening.


One more thing.  It's been mentioned already but in case there are still any worries about it, we are talking only about pledges for the time being.  Nobody is required to send any money anywhere until the bounty is granted.  If anybody wishes to contribute to the fund now, while it is on your mind, I expect that David can take care of that too. But please check with him about those details. (Things like transfer fees if the release doesn't happen and the money is returned to you, etc.)



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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

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Sorry I did not see this email before right now!  OK I'm convinced.  As said before I can afford a  pledge of $250.00  .

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Robin Dunn <[hidden email]> wrote:
Robin Dunn wrote:
John Fabiani wrote:
If what you are saying is real - would you please have Robin provide an email to the group saying so!

Yes, I can confirm this.  David approached me off-list to discuss this and offered to take on the coordination of the effort, and I gladly accepted.  I believe we can rely on him to be honorable in this endeavor and I have no worries about anything underhanded happening.


One more thing.  It's been mentioned already but in case there are still any worries about it, we are talking only about pledges for the time being.  Nobody is required to send any money anywhere until the bounty is granted.  If anybody wishes to contribute to the fund now, while it is on your mind, I expect that David can take care of that too. But please check with him about those details. (Things like transfer fees if the release doesn't happen and the money is returned to you, etc.)



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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

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That's certainly a promising idea, and I'd be willing to pledge money toward that.  I'd like to know, though, what "an official first release" means.  I've asked before on this list about when Phoenix would be ready, and was told that "you can already use it".  So for me to feel like there was a substantive difference between that and an "official" release would have to mean that, basically, I can do anything and everything with Phoenix that I can currently do with wxPython on Python 2.  (And, ideally, with minimal code changes required beyond those already required to make any Python 2 code run on Python 3.)

Also, I hate to mention this, but it does make me slightly nervous that the life or death of the entire future of wxPython appears to be completely dependent on a single individual.  Does this mean that if (heaven forbid) he gets hit by a bus or something, all hope of wxPython on Python 3 is dashed?  Whenever I look at this list (which is admittedly not all that often), I get that feeling.  That makes me wonder if it is ultimately worth it to push for getting an initial release out the door.  We don't just need an initial release, we need "wxPython works, smoothly and completely, on Python 3", with everything that entails, and it's not clear to me that there's the wherewithal to make that happen.

Anyway, like I said, I'd be willing to pledge some money toward an initial release, but I think there are some important issues to face up to beyond that.

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 6:01:28 AM UTC-7, David Hughes wrote:

To encourage an official first release of Phoenix as soon as can be, it's been suggested we raise a bounty to be paid to Robin when this happens. Going through an online fund raising service would not only be a hassle but they will end up pocketing up to 10% of the cash (e.g. <a href="http://bountysource.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fbountysource.com\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNHXCSHHTUhLlELZk_0xmmv7amsAoA&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fbountysource.com\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNHXCSHHTUhLlELZk_0xmmv7amsAoA&#39;;return true;">bountysource.com). I have been in touch with Robin about this and he is OK with me coordinating the raising of pledges among ourselves here.

I don't know if it will help to set a target amount but I'm suggesting one of $10,000 US dollars - note, this is a target, not an upper limit <wink>. The good news is that we are already half way there and the pledged total is currently $5,000.

If you want to announce a donation, large or small, here in public, that's fine but in any case please let me know so I can keep track of things and send you the details for making payment when the time comes. Please email forestfield.software<at><a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://gmail.com&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://gmail.com&#39;;return true;">gmail.com (the public PGP key is attached) or use Whatsapp to contact +44 7971 336995 (which uses end to end encryption) and I will keep you all informed of progress.

I think the best way of making payments will be by direct transfer to a bank account of Robin's choice, but I'm also able to process debit and credit card payments in Euros, UK pounds and US, Canadian and Australian dollars, although these will incur (credit) card charges and possibly currency exchange costs.

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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

johnf
I too have concerns about a one man show.  But think about this - there are several GUI lib's and they too are one man shows - i.e. PyQT - still going strong.  The only one I know of that wasn't a one man show was pyside and that didn't last very long (although I think they are trying to revive it).  There are many one man shows in the open source world.  
The other issue is our investment in learning and using wxPython.  I for one do not want to lose that investment.  And if we can get the word out many will donate just to protect that investment.  I don't know where we are in reaching the goal - but I hope it's close!

Johnf

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:30:56 PM UTC-7, Brendan Barnwell wrote:
That's certainly a promising idea, and I'd be willing to pledge money toward that.  I'd like to know, though, what "an official first release" means.  I've asked before on this list about when Phoenix would be ready, and was told that "you can already use it".  So for me to feel like there was a substantive difference between that and an "official" release would have to mean that, basically, I can do anything and everything with Phoenix that I can currently do with wxPython on Python 2.  (And, ideally, with minimal code changes required beyond those already required to make any Python 2 code run on Python 3.)

Also, I hate to mention this, but it does make me slightly nervous that the life or death of the entire future of wxPython appears to be completely dependent on a single individual.  Does this mean that if (heaven forbid) he gets hit by a bus or something, all hope of wxPython on Python 3 is dashed?  Whenever I look at this list (which is admittedly not all that often), I get that feeling.  That makes me wonder if it is ultimately worth it to push for getting an initial release out the door.  We don't just need an initial release, we need "wxPython works, smoothly and completely, on Python 3", with everything that entails, and it's not clear to me that there's the wherewithal to make that happen.

Anyway, like I said, I'd be willing to pledge some money toward an initial release, but I think there are some important issues to face up to beyond that.

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 6:01:28 AM UTC-7, David Hughes wrote:

To encourage an official first release of Phoenix as soon as can be, it's been suggested we raise a bounty to be paid to Robin when this happens. Going through an online fund raising service would not only be a hassle but they will end up pocketing up to 10% of the cash (e.g. <a href="http://bountysource.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fbountysource.com\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNHXCSHHTUhLlELZk_0xmmv7amsAoA&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fbountysource.com\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNHXCSHHTUhLlELZk_0xmmv7amsAoA&#39;;return true;">bountysource.com). I have been in touch with Robin about this and he is OK with me coordinating the raising of pledges among ourselves here.

I don't know if it will help to set a target amount but I'm suggesting one of $10,000 US dollars - note, this is a target, not an upper limit <wink>. The good news is that we are already half way there and the pledged total is currently $5,000.

If you want to announce a donation, large or small, here in public, that's fine but in any case please let me know so I can keep track of things and send you the details for making payment when the time comes. Please email forestfield.software<at><a href="http://gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href=&#39;http://gmail.com&#39;;return true;" onclick="this.href=&#39;http://gmail.com&#39;;return true;">gmail.com (the public PGP key is attached) or use Whatsapp to contact +44 7971 336995 (which uses end to end encryption) and I will keep you all informed of progress.

I think the best way of making payments will be by direct transfer to a bank account of Robin's choice, but I'm also able to process debit and credit card payments in Euros, UK pounds and US, Canadian and Australian dollars, although these will incur (credit) card charges and possibly currency exchange costs.

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Re: Bounty on first release of Phoenix

Emad Dlala
First, I wouldn't call this a show. It's real work, but I know what you mean. 
Second, there are more than one person who contributed to the development to wxPython. So it's not one, even though Robin has been the main developer. 
Third, I wouldn't speculate too much now about the longer term vision, and if we do, we should keep it in a separate thread, and better after the release of Phoenix. The goal in this thread is to collect bounty for the developers toward the release of Phoenix. So let's not diverge please.   

David Highs,

Any update about the payment procedure? I sent you an email but I haven't heard back from you. Let's hit the iron while it's hot!

Emad

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 6:25 AM, johnf <[hidden email]> wrote:
I too have concerns about a one man show.  But think about this - there are several GUI lib's and they too are one man shows - i.e. PyQT - still going strong.  The only one I know of that wasn't a one man show was pyside and that didn't last very long (although I think they are trying to revive it).  There are many one man shows in the open source world.  
The other issue is our investment in learning and using wxPython.  I for one do not want to lose that investment.  And if we can get the word out many will donate just to protect that investment.  I don't know where we are in reaching the goal - but I hope it's close!

Johnf


On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:30:56 PM UTC-7, Brendan Barnwell wrote:
That's certainly a promising idea, and I'd be willing to pledge money toward that.  I'd like to know, though, what "an official first release" means.  I've asked before on this list about when Phoenix would be ready, and was told that "you can already use it".  So for me to feel like there was a substantive difference between that and an "official" release would have to mean that, basically, I can do anything and everything with Phoenix that I can currently do with wxPython on Python 2.  (And, ideally, with minimal code changes required beyond those already required to make any Python 2 code run on Python 3.)

Also, I hate to mention this, but it does make me slightly nervous that the life or death of the entire future of wxPython appears to be completely dependent on a single individual.  Does this mean that if (heaven forbid) he gets hit by a bus or something, all hope of wxPython on Python 3 is dashed?  Whenever I look at this list (which is admittedly not all that often), I get that feeling.  That makes me wonder if it is ultimately worth it to push for getting an initial release out the door.  We don't just need an initial release, we need "wxPython works, smoothly and completely, on Python 3", with everything that entails, and it's not clear to me that there's the wherewithal to make that happen.

Anyway, like I said, I'd be willing to pledge some money toward an initial release, but I think there are some important issues to face up to beyond that.

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 6:01:28 AM UTC-7, David Hughes wrote:

To encourage an official first release of Phoenix as soon as can be, it's been suggested we raise a bounty to be paid to Robin when this happens. Going through an online fund raising service would not only be a hassle but they will end up pocketing up to 10% of the cash (e.g. bountysource.com). I have been in touch with Robin about this and he is OK with me coordinating the raising of pledges among ourselves here.

I don't know if it will help to set a target amount but I'm suggesting one of $10,000 US dollars - note, this is a target, not an upper limit <wink>. The good news is that we are already half way there and the pledged total is currently $5,000.

If you want to announce a donation, large or small, here in public, that's fine but in any case please let me know so I can keep track of things and send you the details for making payment when the time comes. Please email forestfield.software<at>gmail.com (the public PGP key is attached) or use Whatsapp to contact <a href="tel:%2B44%207971%20336995" value="+447971336995" target="_blank">+44 7971 336995 (which uses end to end encryption) and I will keep you all informed of progress.

I think the best way of making payments will be by direct transfer to a bank account of Robin's choice, but I'm also able to process debit and credit card payments in Euros, UK pounds and US, Canadian and Australian dollars, although these will incur (credit) card charges and possibly currency exchange costs.

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